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Against Incident Severities and in Favor of Incident Types

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About a year ago, Honeycomb kicked off an internal experiment to structure how we do incident response. We looked at the usual severity-based approach (usually using a SEV scale), but decided to adopt an approach based on types, aiming to better play the role of quick definitions for multiple departments put together. This post is a short report on our experience doing it.

Problem statement

Incident priorities play the role of boundary object: a concept that is shared across various portions of an organization, but means different things and is used for distinct purposes by different people and departments.

The classic approach to incidents is to pick incident severity levels, often on a grid a bit like this:

SEV Example Description Example Response
1 Critical issue. Systems down. Impacts a large amount of or all customers. SLAs not being met. User data loss. Security issue where customer data is at risk. Organization survival at risk. Public communications required. Executive teams involved. All hands on deck. Formal incident investigation and public reports expected.
2 Major issue. Severe impacts to a large number of customers. SLAs at risk. Incident response itself is affected. Product is unusable or inaccessible. Public communications required. Internal status updates required. Formal incident command is activated. Subject matter experts across teams brought in. Formal incident investigation and public reports expected.
3 Minor issue. Some systems are not working properly, but most are. Some customers are impacted. Public communications required. Internal status updates required. The team owning impacted systems are part of the response. Internal incident investigation expected.
4 Low impact. Informational notice. Performance may be degraded in some services. Some customers may see an impact. Public communications may be useful if they can’t be handled directly to impacted customers. Mitigations can be worked on by on-call people if rollbacks aren’t adequate.

Some scales will vary in how many levels they have, on how automated their responses are, and in the criteria they include.

The challenge is that they offer a single linear scale that encompasses many elements:

  • Impact: number of services, performance and uptime implications, accessibility and usability criteria, contractual obligations.
  • Organizational factors: ownership definition, departments with different compliance requirements, budgets, and schedules.
  • Workload: types of communication, incident command structure, number of people involved, expected duration, investigations after the event, type of follow-up and action items (and urgency), types of procedures (such as “break-glass” situations).

Because severities are a single linear scale, they also create fuzzy boundaries and corner cases when elements ranging across severity levels are in a single incident: 

  • What if a single customer has their data exposed or lost? 
  • What if there’s performance degradation, but it’s system-wide and strategic customers are complaining and threatening to leave? 
  • What if the impact is currently not visible, but if nothing is done within a day or two, it will be a SEV-1 incident?

These fuzzy boundaries are necessary when we are trying to trade off the complexity of the real situation with straightforward response mechanisms across an organization. However, they sure are messy.

Why it’s a mess

Each role offers a distinct perspective, asymmetric information, a varying set of priorities, and different tools—but is brought in line by a single event. The variety of stakeholders and people involved into a single scale like that means that it’s leveraged inconsistently across the organization:

  • An engineer who believes the impact to be wide but easily fixable may want to underplay the severity to avoid roping in external departments or activating machinery that will slow response while it ramps up and propagates to the organization. Responders may also try to delay formal response because they want to be very sure before activating it at full scale.
  • Someone who knows no customer-facing impact currently exists, but who needs org-wide support to resolve a looming threat may declare a higher severity incident to get the hands they believe they need.
  • Someone in a more customer-facing role may understand their pain more directly and argue in favor of a higher severity to properly communicate how serious the organization believes this is.

It isn’t necessarily problematic that we use a compressed set of terms to define incidents and their response. The issue is that we use a rather non-descriptive linear scale: a lower number means a more severe incident. The definitions are loose and depend on the stakeholder’s stance within the organization, but the responses are very real.

People will perceive the severity both as a norm to respond and as a tool, at the same time, and will also have different tolerances for disruption caused by the chosen severity, and the threshold between them. In case of ambiguous situations, some will default to noisier responses while others will wait for more validation before making that call—particularly if the severity of an incident is part of metrics and targets to be met or part of the organization for a given reporting period.

Experience shows that the outcome is accompanied by an ongoing tension between descriptive severity (based on the fuzzy impact and scope), prescriptive severity (what is the response we think we need), mixed in with time pressure, incomplete information, and objectives. The more we encompass in the severity mechanism, the trickier it is to navigate—and the longer the debates.

TL;DR: Response severity is different for every team

The response required by engineers may be more demanding for a non-customer impacting “ticking time bomb” situation or critical security vulnerability patch than it is for a higher-severity incident that requires a rollback. 

For customer success teams, the breadth of impacted users and the magnitude (how unusable the product is) will define demand differently. 

For incident commanders and managers, it is possible that broad involvement over long periods, at a high pace, will be more challenging than a one- or two-hour-long heavy session with a few subject matter experts.

The severity scales are linear, from lowest to most critical impact, but the responses for each type of stakeholder is not linear.

What we chose to do

This “tangling” effect is not necessarily avoidable by virtue of severity being a compromise across many stakeholders and viewpoints. I do not believe that approaches like “enforce the rules harder” or “make the guidelines even more complete” are effective. People do what they believe is useful, and that includes taking shortcuts and leveraging norms as tools.

If part of the challenge is that the severity scales are inherently linear and the response to incidents does not align with this linearity, then we may want to conclude that they are not a great pattern with which to orchestrate incident response. Instead, we may want to find a better pattern (even if not perfect either—it can never be) by ditching the severity and going for more descriptive types.

We decided, for example, to declare incidents that match any of the following terms:

  • Ambiguous: Not fully sure. Things look bad, but not fully broken (this is our default type).
  • Internal: Chaos experiments, rollouts, non-customer impacting things, tests.
  • Security: Security incidents have distinct workflows and compliance requirements.
  • Time bomb: Internal, but we need a lot of hands on deck if we don’t want it to get worse.
  • Isolated: One or few customers, over limited components.
  • Major: Key features or important customers are definitely impacted. Warrants a big response.

Being able to pick words lets people create workflows based on a description that correlates to surface, workload, and magnitude. Having too many words is likely to be as confusing as not having enough, so we want the number to be low enough. To pick adequate words, we went back into our history of incident response (not just public-facing incidents) to see if we could come up with archetypes that describe most of what we had to deal with—the expectation is that over time, we’ll need to adjust them based on newer or more frequent experiences.

The key point is that while these terms are ambiguous on purpose, they carry meaning. An “ambiguous” incident is hard to describe, but everyone has an idea what it means—especially when it’s bounded by “isolated” on the lower spectrum and “major” on the upper spectrum. Nobody’s necessarily mad at someone picking “ambiguous” as a value, which is often a useful property: the mess and uncertainty of the description is a feature of it all, not a bug. Clarity comes over time and people should understand that.

An “isolated” incident could very well be a major outage on a key feature that messes with a lot of customers, but that is fully understood to be a bad deploy, as much as it could be a thing that minorly impacts one customer but with a big financial incentive to keep them happy.

The ongoing outcome

We’ve also used these types as the foundation for workflows we’ve built with Jeli, the incident management and analysis software we’ve used for a few years now. Using these types and their custom workflows, security incidents come with private channels, and they automatically invite members of the security team into the incident channel, along with one person from platform leadership. Any public-facing (i.e., customer-impacting) type automatically invites representatives from our support team. Any non-internal type brings up incident response folks and appropriate leadership to help support the situation.

My point being, these descriptions carry meaning that goes further than a sliding scale, and that lets people subscribe or get involved based on what the term means rather than how bad it is (where “how bad” is defined differently for every department). We’ve managed to avoid creating more incident types than what we had. 

Our goal is to create as clear of an incident as we can, as fast as possible. The definition helps pick a term based on what we see (or don’t know yet) more than anything, and has felt useful to most engineers we polled at the end of the experiment’s period. 

A year later, we’re still using incident types as a mechanism. Unsurprisingly, most incidents fall into the ‘ambiguous’ category. This fits as designed, although our tooling doesn’t let us change types after an incident started. This has come up as the biggest hurdle of our current system, restricting how much flexibility and accuracy we’d get out of it.

We’re always on the lookout for more improvements (e.g., synchronizing PagerDuty schedules to Slack aliases makes automation useful). If you have insights on useful approaches, let us know in Pollinators, our Slack community.


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- Ambiguous: Not fully sure. Things look bad, but not fully broken (this is our default type).
- Internal: Chaos experiments, rollouts, non-customer impacting things, tests.
- Security: Security incidents have distinct workflows and compliance requirements.
- Time bomb: Internal, but we need a lot of hands on deck if we don’t want it to get worse.
- Isolated: One or few customers, over limited components.
- Major: Key features or important customers are definitely impacted. Warrants a big response.

Wow using these types over SEVs would have save me and my team so much time in the past.
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AI Flame Graphs

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Imagine halving the resource costs of AI and what that could mean for the planet and the industry -- based on extreme estimates such savings could reduce the total US power usage by over 10% by 20301. At Intel we've been creating a new analyzer tool to help reduce AI costs called AI Flame Graphs: a visualization that shows an AI accelerator or GPU hardware profile along with the full software stack, based on my CPU flame graphs. Our first version is available to customers in the Intel Tiber AI Cloud as a preview for the Intel Data Center GPU Max Series (previously called Ponte Vecchio). Here is an example:


Simple example: SYCL matrix multiply microbenchmark

(Click for interactive SVG.) The green frames are the actual instructions running on the AI or GPU accelerator, aqua shows the source code for these functions, and red (C), yellow (C++), and orange (kernel) show the CPU code paths that initiated these AI/GPU programs. The gray "-" frames just help highlight the boundary between CPU and AI/GPU code. The x-axis is proportional to cost, so you look for the widest things and find ways to reduce them.


Layers

This flame graph shows a simple program for SYCL (a high-level C++ language for accelerators) that tests three implementations of matrix multiply, running them with the same input workload. The flame graph is dominated by the slowest implementation, multiply_basic(), which doesn't use any optimizations and consumes at 72% of stall samples and is shown as the widest tower. On the right are two thin towers for multiply_local_access() at 21% which replaces the accessor with a local variable, and multiply_local_access_and_tiling() at 6% which also adds matrix tiling. The towers are getting smaller as optimizations are added.

This flame graph profiler is a prototype based on Intel EU stall profiling for hardware profiling and eBPF for software instrumentation. It's designed to be easy and low-overhead, just like a CPU profiler. You should be able to generate a flame graph of an existing AI workload whenever you want, without having to restart anything or launch additional code via an interposer.

Instruction-offset Profiling

This is not the first project to build an AI profiler or even something called an AI Flame Graph, however, others I've seen focus on tracing CPU stacks and timing accelerator execution, but don't profile the instruction offsets running on the accelerator; or do profile them but via expensive binary instrumentation. I wanted to build AI flame graphs that work like CPU flame graphs: Easy to use, negligible cost, production safe, and shows everything. A daily tool for developers, with most of the visualization in the language of the developer: source code functions.

This has been an internal AI project at Intel for the past year. Intel was already investing in this space, building the EU stall profiler capability for the Intel Data Center GPU Max Series that provides an approximation of HW instruction sampling. I was lucky to have Dr. Matthew (Ben) Olson, an Intel AI engineer who has also worked on eBPF performance tooling (processwatch) as well as memory management research, join my team and do most of the development work. His background has helped us power through difficulties that seemed insurmountable. We've also recently been joined by Dr. Brandon Kammerdiener (coincidentally another graduate of the University of Tennessee, like Ben), who also has eBPF and memory internals experience, and has been helping us take on harder and harder workloads. And Gabriel Muñoz just joined today to help with releases. Now that our small team has shown that this is possible, we'll be joined by other teams at Intel to develop this further.

We could have built a harder-to-use and higher-overhead version months ago using Intel GTPin but for widespread adoption it needs minimal overhead and ease of use so that developers don't hesitate to use this daily and to add it to deployment pipelines.

What's a Flame Graph?

A flame graph is a visualization I invented in 2011 for showing sampled code stack traces. It has become the standard for CPU profiling and analysis, helping developers quickly find performance improvements and eliminate regressions. A CPU flame graph shows the "big picture" of running software, with x-axis proportional to CPU cost. The example picture on the right summarizes how easy it can be to go from compute costs to responsible code paths. Prior to flame graphs, it could take hours to understand a complex profile by reading through hundreds of pages of output. Now it takes seconds: all you have to do is look for the widest rectangles.

Flame graphs have had worldwide adoption. They have been the basis for five startups so far, have been adopted in over thirty performance analysis products, and have had over eighty implementations.

My first implementation of flame graphs took a few hours on a Wednesday night after work. The real effort has been in the decade since, where I worked with different profilers, runtimes, libraries, kernels, compilers, and hypervisors to get flame graphs working properly in different environments, including fixing stack walking and symbolization. Earlier this year I posted about the final missing piece: Helping distros enable frame pointers so that profiling works across standard system libraries.

Similar work is necessary for AI workloads: fixing stacks and symbols and getting profiling to work for different hardware, kernel drivers, user-mode drivers, frameworks, runtimes, languages, and models. A lot more work, too, as AI analysis has less maturity than CPU analysis.

Searching Samples

If you are new to flame graphs, it's worth highlighting the built-in search capability. In the earlier example, most of the stall samples are caused by sbid: software scoreboard dependency. As that may be a unique search term, you can run search (Ctrl-F, or click "Search") on "sbid" and it will highlight it in magenta:

Search also shows the total number of stack samples that contained sbid in the bottom right: 78.4%. You can search for any term in the flame graph: accelerator instructions, source paths, function names, etc., to quickly calculate the percentage of stacks where it is present (excluding vertical overlap) helping you prioritise performance work.

Note that the samples are EU stall-based, which means theoretical performance wins can take the percentages down to zero. This is different to timer-based samples as are typically used in CPU profiling. Stalls mean you better focus on the pain, the parts of the code that aren't making forward progress, but you aren't seeing resource usage by unstalled instructions. I'd like to supuport timer-based samples in the future as well, so we can have both views.

Who will use this?

At a recent golang conference, I asked the audience of 200+ to raise their hands if they were using CPU flame graphs. Almost every hand went up. I know of companies where flame graphs are a daily tool that developers use to understand and tune their code, reducing compute costs. This will become a daily tool for AI developers.

My employer will use this as well for evaluation analysis, to find areas to tune to beat competitors, as well as to better understand workload performance to aid design.

Why is AI profiling hard?

Consider CPU instruction profiling: This is easy when the program and symbol table are both in the file system and in a standardized file format (such as ELF) as is the case with native compiled code (C). CPU profiling gets hard for JIT-complied code, like Java, as instructions and symbols are dynamically generated and placed in main memory (the process heap) without following a universal standard. For such JITted code we use runtime-specific methods and agents to retrieve snapshots of the heap information, which is different for each runtime.

AI workloads also have different runtimes (and frameworks, languages, user-mode drivers, compilers, etc.) any of which can require special tinkering to get their CPU stacks and symbols to work. These CPU stacks are shown as the red, orange, and yellow frames in the AI Flame Graph. Some AI workloads are easy to get these frames working, some (like PyTorch) are a lot more work.

But the real challenge is instruction profiling of actual GPU and AI accelerator programs -- shown as the aqua and green frames -- and correctly associating them with the CPU stacks beneath them. Not only may these GPU and AI programs not exist in the file system, but they may not even exist in main memory! Even for running programs. Once execution begins, they may be deallocated from main memory and only exist in special accelerator memory, beyond the direct reach of OS profilers and debuggers. Or within reach, but only through a prohibitively high-overhead HW-specific debugger interface.

There's also no /proc representation for these programs either (I've been proposing building an equivalent) so there's no direct way to even tell what is running and what isn't, and all the other /proc details. Forget instruction profiling, even ps(1) and all the other process tools do not work.

It's been a mind-bending experience, revealing what gets taken for granted because it has existed in CPU land for decades: A process table. Process tools. Standard file formats. Programs that exist in the file system. Programs running from main memory. Debuggers. Profiliers. Core dumping. Disassembling. Single stepping. Static and dynamic instrumentation. Etc. For GPUs and AI, this is all far less mature. It can make the work exciting at times, when you think something is impossible and then find or devise a way.

Fortunately we have a head start as some things do exist. Depending on the runtime and kernel driver, there are debug interfaces where you can list running accelerator programs and other statistics, as used by tools like intel_gpu_top(1). You can kill -9 a GPU workload using intel_gpu_abrt(1). Some interfaces can even generate basic ELF files for the running accelerator programs that you can try to load in a debugger like gdb(1). And there is support for GPU/AI program disassembly, if you can get your hands on the binary. It feels to me like GPU/AI debugging, OS style, is about two years old. Better than zero, but still early on, and lots more ahead of us. A decade, at least.

What do AI developers think of this?

We've shown AI Flame Graphs to other AI developers at Intel and a common reaction is to be a bit puzzled, wondering what to do with it. AI developers think about their bit of code, but with AI Flame Graphs they can now see the entire stack for the first time, including the HW, and many layers they don't usually think about or don't know about. It basically looks like a pile of gibberish with their code only a small part of the flame graph.


CPU Flame Graph Implementations

This reaction is similar to people's first experiences with CPU flame graphs, which show parts of the system that developers and engineers typically don't work on, such as runtime internals, system libraries, and kernel internals. Flame graphs are great at highlighting the dozen or so functions that matter the most, so it becomes a problem of learning what those functions do across a few different code bases, which are typically open source. Understanding a dozen such functions can take a few hours or even a few days -- but if this leads to a 10% or 2x cost win, it is time well spent. And the next time the user looks at a flame graph, they start saying "I've seen that function before" and so on. You can get to the point where understanding the bulk of a CPU flame graph takes less than a minute: look for the widest tower, click to zoom, read the frames, done.

I'm encouraged by the success of CPU flame graphs, with over 80 implementations and countless real world case studies. Sometimes I'm browsing a performance issue I care about on github and hit page down and there's a CPU flame graph. They are everywhere.

I expect AI developers will also be able to understand AI Flame Graphs in less than a minute, but to start with people will be spending a day or more browsing code bases they didn't know were involved. Publishing case studies of found wins will also help people learn how to interpret them, and also help explain the value.

What about PyTorch?

Another common reaction we've had is that AI developers are using PyTorch, and initially we didn't support it as it meant walking Python stacks, which isn't trivial. But prior work has been done there (to support CPU profiling) and after a lot of tinkering we now have the first PyTorch AI Flame Graph:


PyTorch frames in pink

(Click for interactive SVG.) The PyTorch functions are at the bottom and are colored pink. This example runs oneDNN kernels that are JIT-generated, and don't have a source path so that layer just reads "jit". Getting all other the layers included was a real pain to get going, but an important milestone. We think if we can do PyTorch we can do anything.

In this flame graph, we show PyTorch running the Llama 2 7B model using the Intel Extensions for PyTorch (IPEX). This flame graph shows the origin of the GPU kernel execution all the way back to the Python source code shown in pink. Most samples are from a stack leading up to a gemm_kernel (matrix multiply) shown in aqua, which like the previous example has many stalls due to software scoreboarding.

There are two instructions here (0xa30 and 0xa90) that combined are 27% of the entire profile. I expect someone will ask: Can't we just click on instructions and have it bring up a dissassembly view with full source? Yes, that should be possible, but I can't answer how we're going to provide this yet. Another expected question I can't yet answer: Since there are now multiple products providing AI auto-tuning of CPU workloads using CPU flame graphs (including Intel Granulate) can't we have AI auto-tuning of AI workloads using AI Flame Graphs?

First Release: Sometimes hard and with moderate overhead

Getting AI Flame Graphs to work with some workloads is easy, but others are currently hard and cost moderate overhead. It's similar to CPU profiling, where some workloads and languages are easy to profile, whereas others need various things fixed. Some AI workloads use many software dependencies that need various tweaks and recompilation (e.g., enabling frame pointers so that stack walking works) making setup time consuming. PyTorch is especially difficult and can take over a week of OS work to be ready for AI Flame Graphs. We will work on getting these tweaks changed upstream in their respective repositories, something involving teams inside and outside of Intel, and is a process I'd expect to take at least a year. During that time AI workloads will gradually become easier to flame graph, and with lower-overhead as well.

I'm reminded of eBPF in the early days: You had to patch and recompile the kernel and LLVM and Clang, which could take multiple days if you hit errors. Since then all the eBPF dependency patches have been merged, and default settings changed, so that eBPF "just works." We'll get there with AI Flame Graphs too, but right now it's still those early days.

The changes necessary for AI Flame Graphs are really about improving debugging in general, and are a requirement for Fast by Friday: A vision where we can root-cause analyze anything in five days or less.

Availability

AI Flame Graphs will first become available on the Intel Tiber AI Cloud as a preview feature for the Intel Data Center GPU Max Series. If you are currently deployed there you can ask through the Intel service channel for early access. As for if or when it will support other hardware types, be in other Intel products, be officially launched, be open source, etc., these involve various other teams at Intel and they need to make their own announcements before I can discuss them here.

Conclusions

Finding performance improvements for AI data centers of just fractions of a percent can add up to planetary savings in electricity, water, and money. If AI flame graphs have the success that CPU flame graphs have had, I'd expect finding improvements of over 10% will be common, and 50% and higher will eventually be found*. But it won't be easy in these early days as there are still many software components to tweak and recompile, and software layers to learn about that are revealed in the AI flame graph.

In the years ahead I imagine others will build their own AI flame graphs that look the same as this one, and there may even be startups selling them, but if they use more difficult-to-use and higher-overhead technologies I fear they could turn companies off the idea of AI flame graphs altogether and prevent them from finding sorely needed wins. This is too important to do badly. AI flame graphs should be easy to use, cost negligible overhead, be production safe, and show everything. Intel has proven it's possible.

Disclaimer

* This is a personal blog post that makes personal predictions but not guarantees of possible performance improvements. Feel free to take any claim with a grain of salt, and feel free to wait for an official publication and public launch by Intel on this technology.

1 Based on halving the Arm CEO Rene Haas' estimate of 20-25% quoted in Taking a closer look at AI's supposed energy apocalypse by Kyle Orland of ArsTechnica.

Thanks

Thanks to everyone at Intel who have helped us make this happen. Markus Flierl has driven this project and made it a top priority, and Greg Lavender has expressed his support. Special thanks to Michael Cole, Matthew Roper, Luis Strano, Rodrigo Vivi, Joonas Lahtinen, Stanley Gambarin, Timothy Bauer, Brandon Yates, Maria Kraynyuk, Denis Samoylov, Krzysztof Raszknowski, Sanchit Jain, Po-Yu Chen, Felix Degrood, Piotr Rozenfeld, Andi Kleen, and all of the other coworkers that helped clear things up for us, and thanks in advance for everyone else who will be helping us in the months ahead.

My final thanks is to the companies and developers who do the actual hands-on work with flame graphs, collecting them, examining them, finding performance wins, and applying them.
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GPU flame graphs. This is great especially as we start relying more and more on AI in the critical path of applications.
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The tough reality of being a "glue person"...

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The tough reality of being a "glue person":

  1. Your wins are (mostly) silent, but your missteps are very public.

  2. Glue sits at the joints, and joints are where the stress is.

  3. You see more than most people—which can be draining.

  4. You see more than most...and that can be politically sensitive.

  5. Leaders and managers often resent the need for glue people.

  6. Your title and job history may "look weird."

  7. People compete for your advocacy.

  8. Your flexibility and adaptability can be an Achilles' heel.

  9. Sometimes you do become the blocker (unintentionally).

  10. When times get tough...

All of this is to say: take care of yourself! It’s not easy. Whenever possible, try small experiments to counter each of the points above.

  1. Call out your wins.

  2. Practice plenty of self-care.

  3. Find ways to compartmentalize.

  4. Master the poker face.

  5. Build strong relationships to soften any perceived threat.

  6. Choose a different title (chances are people will let you, lol).

  7. Set clear boundaries.

  8. Allow yourself to be stubborn on some things! Be less flexible sometimes.

  9. Find an accountability partner.

  10. Always be applying for new opportunities (this can seem odd for glue people who often feel strong emotional attachment to their current gig).



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These bullet points feel very close to what I have experienced being a technical leader helping many teams and product lines.
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Escaping the Chrome Sandbox Through DevTools

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Article URL: https://ading.dev/blog/posts/chrome_sandbox_escape.html

Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41866802

Points: 339

# Comments: 68

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Amazing step by step investigation done around the Chrome enterprise policies which resulted in two Chrome/Chromium CVE.
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A write-ahead log is not a universal part of durability

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Article URL: https://notes.eatonphil.com/2024-07-01-a-write-ahead-log-is-not-a-universal-part-of-durability.html

Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40844825

Points: 101

# Comments: 32

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141 days ago
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Interesting look at what WAL is and isn't. HN has some good comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40844825
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Instead of “auth”, we should say “permissions” and “login”

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Article URL: https://ntietz.com/blog/lets-say-instead-of-auth/

Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40491480

Points: 333

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Sharing for aeonik's comment on HN:

> "Authorize" and "Authenticate" are excellent words. They go back to medieval times and haven't changed meaning too much.
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> Everybody knows what an "authority" is. It means they have power or capability.
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> Everybody knows what authentic means. Something that is proven to be genuine.


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